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  • The ISA lets the Helghast have HALF OF VEKTA!!! WHY!!! Dats like if the UNSC lets of Covenant take half of Earth in Halo. The worst part is that the wall separating New Helghan and VSA Land... is... near... THE FREAKING CAPITAL OF THE VSA!!!!! WTF!!!!! Thats so stupid and unrealistic. I hope the future games will forget SF even occurred cause SF ruined alot of the KZ lore for me. Also why was the higs excorting Vektan's out of New Helghan and killing em (Why would the VSA let the higs kill em)? Should the VSA excort them out. GG don't fuck up the next game.

    I think SF setting should have been like this. The ISA takes in some Hig civilians (not alot, only ones that can be trusted), and NOT LET EM HAVE HALF OF THE FUCKING PLANET. While dat happens, the rest of the Hig survivers will take over colonies and other shit, rebuilding a 2nd Empire. That sounds better to me.

    How about u? Like SF setting or hate it like me?

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    • OH and Why was Sinclair in Helghan at the ending of SF. He is the president of the Vektan Security Agency. Yeah I know he's the leader of the Shadow Marshals but wouldn't it be more ideal to send the ISA to Helghan. Should Sinclair stay on Vetka on handle Vekta crap and have a ISA general or colonel handle what's going on with other planets cus... i dont know... THE I IN ISA STANDS FOR  INTERPLANETARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU KNOW... HELGHAN... ANOTHER PLANET!!!!

      GG do you even know the KZ lore?

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    • Because Vekta was responsible for the genocide/destruction of Helghan because of a pair of dipshits who weren't smart enough to put 2 and 2 together. The deal was more than likely enforced by the UCN who 1. would want to punish the ISA for disobeying their orders during the invasion of Helghan, 2. Would want the Helghast to like them more and also feel like they have a small victory in reclaiming at least part of their original homeland, 3. As Vekta is the closest and was legally the Helghasts first that would make it much easier legally and logistically to have the Helghast settle there, 4. The UCN has an interest in keeping the Vektans/Helghast hateful and distrustful of each other to keep them both weaker and focused on each other, 5. the ISA response on Vektan resettlement stated that the Helghast retained their sovereignty and independence, meaning that they could not legally enforce any laws within New Helghan, 6. The Helghast warned the human residents residing there that they had to leave, and when we start the game we are seeing the result of either people trying to be stubborn and staying or not being able to leave in time. They were evicting and executing at the same time because the Helghast were filled with anger and hate and were enacting revenge while simultaneously sending a message. I still hate SF because they made the Helghast so weak that they aren't even threatening or scary like they used to be in previous games, so it makes the ISA look even more ridiculous.

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    • Col Radec wrote: Because Vekta was responsible for the genocide/destruction of Helghan because of a pair of dipshits who weren't smart enough to put 2 and 2 together. The deal was more than likely enforced by the UCN who 1. would want to punish the ISA for disobeying their orders during the invasion of Helghan, 2. Would want the Helghast to like them more and also feel like they have a small victory in reclaiming at least part of their original homeland, 3. As Vekta is the closest and was legally the Helghasts first that would make it much easier legally and logistically to have the Helghast settle there, 4. The UCN has an interest in keeping the Vektans/Helghast hateful and distrustful of each other to keep them both weaker and focused on each other, 5. the ISA response on Vektan resettlement stated that the Helghast retained their sovereignty and independence, meaning that they could not legally enforce any laws within New Helghan, 6. The Helghast warned the human residents residing there that they had to leave, and when we start the game we are seeing the result of either people trying to be stubborn and staying or not being able to leave in time. They were evicting and executing at the same time because the Helghast were filled with anger and hate and were enacting revenge while simultaneously sending a message. I still hate SF because they made the Helghast so weak that they aren't even threatening or scary like they used to be in previous games, so it makes the ISA look even more ridiculous.

      Hmm, well, the thing here is, while I know the ISA have caused the genocide, I would agree with Fortu that there has to be at least a better kind of settlement they could've created here. Maybe give them an island settlement or something, Idk. But half the planet and evicting half your citizens is pretty nuts, plus they seemingly killed at will, even if the Helghast still had a lot to deal with, you could at least give them time. As for the UCN, I get that they're pissed at them not following orders, but I don't honestly see how bringing the Helghast back from destruction would give the UCN any benefit. The ISA wasn't too rebellious, all things considered. I understand there's a lot to take in on this and the developers were horribly vague about how this situation came to be, so I may be right, I may be wrong, but that's what my interpretation of this whole thing is.

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    • Then why didn't the VSA make the Vektan's leave. Plus... WHY WOULD THE HIGS RISK GETTING KICKED OUT OF VEKTA FROM KILLING OF VEKTAN'S. I mean wat if the VSA did give a shit about innocents getting killed. They dont though cus... plot wont explain.

      Giving the Higs half the planet is still stupid. Don't care if the vague UCN wanted that, it's still dumb to me. And why let the higs keep WEAPONS AND MAKE BATTLESHIPS. HELL THERE ARE BATTLESHIPS NEAR THE WALL, WHY????!?!?!?!?!

      And if this UCN, did tell the ISA to give em half the planet... why didnt the ISA say no. Why no crowd of people on vekta fought agaisnt it And if the UCN declares war on ISA. Then the ISA should tell the higs HAY the UCN made us do all the things we did to u, lets kill em together for revenge.

      Its a stupid plot to me.

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    • Oh yes, I forgot about the fact that they allowed the Helghast to carry all of their weapons and ships. I mean come on, making up for genocidal acts is one thing, letting them have all they need to kill people is quite another.

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    • Because the last time someone said no to the UCN, the Helghast happened. And the Helghast were adamant in their negotiations that they would not allow themselves to be demilitarized by external powers under any circumstance, so the ISA probably allowed it due to how incredibly tiny the population the Helghast had by that point. and the ISA have proven that at times they don't really give a shit about their pwople when they are feeling impatient or want quick results, like how they told the ISA on Helghan to surrender in 3.

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    • Well, can't argue with the lack of caring from the developers (not sure if that's the case but it sure as hell seems like it), as everything's pretty vague, but the storyline should've been different altogether, the entire plot seems ridiculous enough to me that they should've had an entirely different backstory.

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    • Pretty much. The backstory is basically nothing but proof that the Helghast have genuine and very legitimate grievances and that they have simply been pushed too far, but then the games are all like 'BLURG THER EVIL GO SHOOT THEM!!!!"

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    • Good point Rad.

      A better plot would be like, the ISA would say Yeah sure to the UCN, but the ISA secretly plans with the higs dat they will destroy the UCN together wen the higs get their strength back.

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    • Yeah. Or the ISA actually tries to help the Helghast before they become an Empire, or the Empire succeeds in re-taking Vekta but DONT go all genocidal. There are a crapload of better ways that the devs could do it.

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    • Col Radec wrote: Pretty much. The backstory is basically nothing but proof that the Helghast have genuine and very legitimate grievances and that they have simply been pushed too far, but then the games are all like 'BLURG THER EVIL GO SHOOT THEM!!!!"

      I think that's the problem behind all of this. They try making you sympathize with them and then make them evil to give you an excuse to shoot them? What the hell is the point in that? It's definitely something they should've thought about.

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    • Yep.

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    • You have to admit that putting the wall near Vekta City is stupid as fuck. ISA should have at least say yeah, we'll put the wall but not near the capital of Vekta to the UCN. If the UCN enforced the ISA do to that. Theres no indication of that in SF soooooo... the setting doesnt make any sense. Saying the UCN might have made the ISA to that is making stuff up that isn't in KZ canon. If the UCN did however did wat u said Rad. Then KZ should have informed us that. It would finally saying something about the vague UCN. But no, theres none of that. The wall makes no logical sense to me.

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    • It doesn't make any sense to give half the capital city to New Helghan, I agree.

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    • You know Kellan's father's death was pointless since he never mentions or think of him... wats the fucking point of that cutscene? IT MAKES ME ANGRY!!!!! Only Sinclair mention's the father just to make Kellan to hate the higs. Which is also pointless cus Siny should have found out by now that Kellan is incapable of feeling emotions.

      Hell Kellan didn't even yell or cry much when his father was killed in front of him...

      I haven't been this pissed over a stupid story in a game since Mass Effect 3.

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    • Fortu wrote: You know Kellan's father's death was pointless since he never mentions or think of him... wats the fucking point of that cutscene? IT MAKES ME ANGRY!!!!! Only Sinclair mention's the father just to make Kellan to hate the higs. Which is also pointless cus Siny should have found out by now that Kellan is incapable of feeling emotions.

      Hell Kellan didn't even yell or cry much when his father was killed in front of him...

      I haven't been this pissed over a stupid story in a game since Mass Effect 3.

      I think it wasn't really serving any purpose of the sort. It was just there to show you "hey look, WE'RE GG! WE MAKE GOOD FACE TEXTURES! We shall now proceed to give you unnatural close-ups of people's faces!"

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    • Him not reacting right when it happened at the beginning isn't that odd, it's called going into shock where you just go numb to the world for a little bit when something extremely traumatic happens. But the rest of what you said, I agree with.

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    • When Batman's folks died he was either crying or breathing hard cus he was in shock. Kellan just says no in not a screamy or scared way wen his dad got shot and seconds after his father's Kellan talked pretty normaly to siny. Not really in shock to me.

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    • Well Batman also decided to dress up in a tight spandex suit that looks like a bat and beat the shit outta people at night. Besides, not every human will react the same way to a certain situation. Makes me wonder if his mom is alive somewhere

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    • The reason Batman dressed like a bat is becus he was scared of bats so he dressed like to face his fears and show other scum to face his fear. Also Batman reacted a very proper and emotion way to his folks death. I dont like a kid not careing about his dad died in front of him and quickly talking camly after a few secs that shows no signes of the kid being shocked.

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    • No I understand his reasons for doing what he does, I was just trying to make a joke. I like Batman, he's a well-written and thought out character.

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    • Sorry, wasn't sure if u were a Bat fan like me.

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    • I think the KZ timeline is very fascinating but there's really no media to explore it other than the games that only focuses on the same ISA vs Higs stories and one novel which does explore the timeline a bit. Because that the interesting lore feels muted most of the time. That's probably the reason I'm not much of a KZ lore fan anymore, they just don't use it.

      Wish GG would make lore documentaries, mature animated/live action shows and more novels. Halo does all that so why not KZ? It would make me a fan lore once more.

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    • KZ doesn't have a huge enough fanbase to spend millions of dollars on movies and animations I think. I may be wrong but they seem to have a relatively small group of people playing it.

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    • JimboBumbag wrote:
      KZ doesn't have a huge enough fanbase to spend millions of dollars on movies and animations I think. I may be wrong but they seem to have a relatively small group of people playing it.

      Is there any possible hope for Killzone: Shadow Fall 2?

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    • Heard they might be making another one, though truthfully Idk. That could go either way.

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    • Fortu wrote:
      When Batman's folks died he was either crying or breathing hard cus he was in shock. Kellan just says no in not a screamy or scared way wen his dad got shot and seconds after his father's Kellan talked pretty normaly to siny. Not really in shock to me.

      You don't understand. He was so shocked he couldnt cry!... even though he talked normaly to Sinclair shortly after his dad's death BUT HE WAS SHOCKED!!!!

      And how dare you say Kellan should have realised Sinclair was bad long time ago. Sinclair raised him so he's like a father to him... even though Kellan questioning Sinclair would make him a stronger character and not make him blind idiot. I mean I grew up with an uncle who was so damn racist and I knew he was racist so why cant Kellan cant see Sinclair is crazy... BUT KELLAN DAD DIED!!!!!!

      The theory is that the UCN made the ISA to share the planet with the higs... even though nothing supports this... and it really doesnt make sense as its a lazy ass way to continue the ISA Vs Higs plot again... BUT AS A KZ FAN I MUST NOT SEE FLAWS THAT REALLY HURTS THE LORE!!!

      Fortu! When someone is fan they have to make BS theories to defend our shit!!!

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    • Yeah hate when people make theories that dont add up to defend their fave stuff. The most I see of BS theories is in the Matrix. My god...

      It's ok to accept a plot hole or something is stupid in something u love. Like I love MGS, its my 2nd fave game series but it has some god awful plot holes that i will not defend. Like in MGS2 theres a terrorist leader name Solidus Snake, he was a president for a time but no one recognise him of that untill he had to say he was the president. How can you defend that?!?!??! Aaaand its pretty damn funny imo.

      Or in MGS Peace Walker, Big Boss after 9 years he killed his mentor, he sundenly beleived she was a traitor... WHAT!?!?!? But the mentor told Big Boss half of the truth and someone else told him rest how she was good, hell he even had a tear at her grave (which proves he knew his mentor was good) so what made him think of her being a fucking traitor?!?!?!, thats agaisnt Big Boss's character and comes out of nowhere. I could keep going with a few more.

      Also its a easy way to find a fanboy, might not be a big fanboy but does have a little of that crap if he makes a bs theory. But if its a theory that does have something to supports it self then its ok.

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    • Exactly!

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    • But even though MGS had plotholes, it has a amazing plot. (not counting MGSV)

      My fave is MGS2. Love the message at the end, it really just means that even fake things in media like video games is a form of expression, even though MGS is fake, we are still effected by it. They can make us change and inspiring us to do good things.

      "Life isn't just about passing on your genes. We can leave behind much more than just DNA. Through speech, music, literature and movies...what we've seen, heard, felt...anger, joy and sorrow...these are the things I will pass on. That's what I live for. We need to pass the torch, and let our children read our messy and sad history by its light.We have all the magic of the digital age to do that with. The human race will probably come to an end some time, and new species may rule over this planet. Earth may not be forever, but we still have the responsibility to leave what traces of life we can. Building the future and keeping the past alive are one and the same thing"

      - Solid Snake

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    • Its so true with that message. Too bad MGSV is most people's first MG game. Most newcomers would probably say to the old games "Its dumb cause it makes me think, thinking makes me feel stupid, dats why I like V... and Matrix... Assassin Creed...derp" 

      Hopefully the new fans will go back and play the old games to see the awesomesness of MGS.

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    • Templars from assassin creed vs Patriots from mgs.

      Who u think would win?

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    • Patriots. Better tech.

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    • Idk much about the patriots, but the Templars are like the illuminati, they control EEEEEEEVERYTHING! And they have the apples of eden which are pretty darn powerful so it's hard to say.

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    • So does the Patriots... kinda... its a bit different, they control mostly the US. In the MGS lore, they control all current made ID guns and have nanomachines. Oh and its hinted that they have a army of a type of Metal Gear called Ray (though we never see this army) and has one huge ass Metal Gear battleship. 

      But we don't know the size of the Patriots, since the games never really show em or their bases (unless you count the Patriots' AIs). Thats how badass they are, they dont even need to be in the scene to screw things up. And hell, most people in the MGS lore dont even know that they exist or they might be being used by the Patriots.

      And they kinda destroyed them selves... long story. But I still think the Patriots would win cus of, better tech. Send a bunch of PMCs that dont feel pain and with other abilities thanks to Nanomachines, with ID controlled guns and Metal Gears to the Templar's door step. Templars have no chance.

      As for the apples of eden. Thats the hardest part. Cus MGS also has supernatural crap. IDK.

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    • Wat you guys think of Pulp Fiction?

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    • Thats random... lol. Its a cool movie. Wish Samuel Jackson and John Travolta were the main characters and not the boring watch guy. Dont see why its considered to be one of the best movies ever.

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    • Wasn't MGS2 other message don't trust digital media?

      I'm just starting to play the old MGS games. The gameplay is dated but the story and themes are amazing, truly no other thing is like it. And MGSV's plot is pretty awfull compared to the old games.

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    • Glad to see a new fan going to the old games.

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    • Linuscool11 sucks he is a Poop dick

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    • Wana know bugs me about SF's plot? That in the begining of the game... ISA or VSA watever, wanted to make peace with the higs or at least not make it more tense between the two factions... but then they send in the empty shell of a charcter, Kellan, with very advance lethal weapons to New Helghan and BLOW UP THE STATUE OF VISARI!!!!! WHAT YOU WANT ANOTHER WAR YOU MORON?!?!?!?!

      Mission log: Destroyed the beloved Visari statue completed, next mission, take a piss on Radec's Memorial to insure peace with the Helghast!

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    • Fortu wrote: Wana know bugs me about SF's plot? That in the begining of the game... ISA or VSA watever, wanted to make peace with the higs or at least not make it more tense between the two factions... but then they send in the empty shell of a charcter, Kellan, with very advance lethal weapons to New Helghan and BLOW UP THE STATUE OF VISARI!!!!! WHAT YOU WANT ANOTHER WAR YOU MORON?!?!?!?!

      Mission log: Destroyed the beloved Visari statue completed, next mission, take a piss on Radec's Memorial to insure peace with the Helghast!

      Because explosions are awesome! Though to be fair the Helghast did destroy one of their dropships, squad and everything.

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    • Well yeah, the drop ship was in or near New Helghan. VSA fault.

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    • Shadow Fall was amazing in graphics and gameplay but the story had a lot of plot holes like this.

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    • Yup. So many logical fallacies that it makes my head hurt.

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    • I say, it always seems to go either one way or another, great graphics and gameplay (it'll be a very long time before SF's graphics become obsolete) or great storyline. The best of them have both but that can be hard from what I understand.

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    • Also the design of the ISA and Helghast are much lamer, to much standard scifi futurisim instead of the realistic feeling (i know the helghast have some DEW weapons, but these were prototypes) and both their weapon looks were a mix of modern western (ISA) and coldwar american, soviet with nazi germany for the helghast, i liked that way much better.

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    • I still love the gun designs in SF. It shows you the cultural differences between the ISA and the Higs.

      Though the VSA definitely looks like some generic galactic alliance guys and some of the hig armor designs makes them look like aliens. Never understood why some of the higs had more than two visor eyes. Do they switch between em or is that a fear tactic? Idk.

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    • even thought narville and his men where ordered to surrender and didnt the UCN cant force the ISA to allow the helghast on vekta because the ISA is the military force of the UCN so their not really two different things so the helghast coming to vekta was on the UCAs orders.and the helghast had black ops running on the ISA side of the wall too remember echo? so for blowning up the visari staue echo probably did something worse for payback him being her grandfather and all.

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    • Why does Kellan heartlessly kill them Cop Higs, like all? Their just security... yeah one cop hig dude shoots a drunk with cliche lines and another talks how much his life sucks in boring lines. Not all of em need to be killed... But Kellan would have to give a care... nm...

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    • Another thing I don't understand is why THEY GIVE THEM HALF THE PLANET AND THEN THE HELGHAST WANT TO INVADE THE OTHER HALF?????? SHIT, YOU HAVE WARP DRIVES! GO FIND ANOTHER FREAKING PLANET IN LIKE 10 SECONDS! And if you think about the lore like planets like Gyre and Zeronus, it clearly said in one of the dossiers that Helghans and Humans lived in peace on Gyre, yet meanwhile they're at a massive war on their main planet(s)! The story, when you think about it in detail, is harder to put together than a 1 million piece puzzle.

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    • And thus, my advice for having a good time in the Killzone Universe is:

      1. Prepare to get the hell out of Vekta because there is far too much tension for it to be safe.

      2. GET the hell out of Vekta and travel to Gyre.

      3. Set things up for housing and enjoy beach ball parties on Hawaii planet with Vektan and Helghan alike! Remember, we have beach barbecues every Saturday!

      I might add though that the people currently on Gyre are probably the ones who aren't completely retarded and just wanted an end to the anger and war, which is likely why they get along so well.

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    • my name for my account was helghast forever i dont remeber and the log in thing doesnt work for me so if you guys could put in the comments my name that would be nice

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    • Well its kinda funny the higs would just blow up vekta any ways if they were stupid but lucas decides to join them so then they can not blow it up

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