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  • I think Covenant cause theres of more of em and have more advanced weapons.

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    • Covenant would kick their asses.

      But I love to see Radec getting piss by the grunts.

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    • The Covenant outnumbers the Helghast like, 1,000 to 1 AT THE VERY LEAST.

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    • Helghasts have numbers, they'll fight the Covenant to a stand still.

      Plus they're more prepared than the Vektans. 

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    • Yes but not enough. The Helghast will be the Covenant's bitch.

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    • I like the helghast infinitely more than the covenant, but the covenant have at least 5 entire races to use against the empire, and overall better tech. So unfortunately they would probably win unless the higs quintuple their species population, then draft the entire race into the military. 

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    • In lore, I love the higs more but in gameplay, I love fighting the covenant more cus its less repetitive due to more enemy types.

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    • Other than they scream 4 their life when u burn em, its not fun fighting higs.

      The covenant would win!!!

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    • Col Radec wrote:
      I like the helghast infinitely more than the covenant, but the covenant have at least 5 entire races to use against the empire, and overall better tech. So unfortunately they would probably win unless the higs quintuple their species population, then draft the entire race into the military. 

      Y u like the Higs more? Just wondering.

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    • Not sure, I think I like them more just because they are more sympathetic and look cooler in my opinion.

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    • how about in gameplay?

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    • Gameplay it depends on the game, like in the Helghast in Killzone 2 still win in every comparison because they were still sympathetic and cool, but they were also really intelligent and planned ahead on higher difficulties. But I like the Covenant more than the Higs in 3 or SF

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    • KZ 2 and 3 had really good AIs in higher difficulties. But I think KZ has less cheap kills. I mean, u know how many times Ive been killed by a energy sword or the blue gernade in Halo?

      In KZ3 the the higs dont say much as in KZ2, Y NOT. In KZ2 THEY SAY F U VEKTAN. it was awesome!!! Like Halo

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    • Yeah, I liked hearing them call out to each other and throw insults towards us too.

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    • I wish in KZ ur men can get on a tank along with u like in Halo. Y DONT GAMES COPY DAT?!?!!?!? HOW COOL WOULD IT BE TO FIGHT THROGH HELL WITH UR HELGHAST BROS?!?!?! but nope... leave dat 2 Halo only...

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    • I dont see how the higs were sympathetic in KZ 2. but dats just me.

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    • Dats not just u, me 2. I also dont see how the higs are sympathetic in KZ2, other than dat miner dude who said he's not a soldier but still, nothing made me feel sorry 4 em.

      The ISA and Higs are both Assholes. But I like Higs more than ISA cus they look cooler 2 me.

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    • The AI in KZ 2 isn't too smart. I see em stay in cover allot even wen i get around em. I never see dat in Halo. In KZ3 they use real tactics. But still they put up a hard fight. Not complete dumbasses.

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    • Because it's their home that their defending, and they have shittier and less effective gear than you.

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    • Need more than dat. I should feel sorry cus their poor assholes?

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    • You should feel sorry because after failing to take back their real homeworld, their last bastion of independence is getting invaded and destroyed by the technologically and economically superior force who have been oppressing them for centuries. And the ISA used the money and resources they more or less stole from Helghan before the war to become so superior.

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    • Sorry I still don't feel sorry. I do SOMEWAT but not completely cus their assholes like ISA. KZ2 didnt show me no sympathetic stuff, ever. Did I miss something from KZ 2's story?

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    • KZ2 and 3 made higs look like jerks so I'm not sure y u feel sorry em.

      I feel more sorry fer grunts in Halo.

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    • 216.80.140.168 wrote:
      Helghasts have numbers, they'll fight the Covenant to a stand still.

      Plus they're more prepared than the Vektans. 

      dude the covenant has the strongest navy, their mlitary numbers are more superior than the helghast population civilian and army times ten. the covenant could wipe out the entire race and burn the planet with less than 15% of the navy. plus a single supercarrier could wipe out all helghast ships combined, now imagine 5 or ten supercarriers. the helghast could not stop less than a quarter of the invasion fleet on earth and even the admiral said the invason force was 50 times less than what attacked reach. in short, helghast could not conquer rhode island. lol

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    • Col Radec wrote:
      Gameplay it depends on the game, like in the Helghast in Killzone 2 still win in every comparison because they were still sympathetic and cool, but they were also really intelligent and planned ahead on higher difficulties. But I like the Covenant more than the Higs in 3 or SF

      they were still sympathetic and cool

      That has nothing to do with gameplay. Just saying.

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    • No shit, I was making an example as to why I liked them in the gameplay department in addition to the reasons I listed earlier.

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    • Ahhhh So u were being redundant.

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    • lol, I'm just imagining the Helghast finally beating the grunts, and then suddenly thousands more of them charge and start going nuts and screaming and Radec saying angrily "Didn't I kill, ALL of you yet??"

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    • lol.

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    • Col Radec wrote:
      No shit, I was making an example as to why I liked them in the gameplay department in addition to the reasons I listed earlier.

      WE GET IT, u love higs. no need to shove it on our faces again. I just wanted to know about the gameplay terms.

      KZ3 AI is better than KZ2 by the way.

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    • From my experience the reverse is true.

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    • I just really wish the higs has more types cus fighting them can very boring to me . Probably cus I grew up with Halo and Metroid Prime.

      Hell even wen I first got KZ2 I put it down many times due to the sameness and linear crap, Took me 2 weeks to beat it. I mostly played the MP.

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    • The Covenant has better AI then higs in KZ2. And with the open levels, they can steal your Vehicle and make better tatics with the large levels. Higs don't do that.

      KZ3 AI is better Radec, Critics and alot people agree with that. I think your just being a fanboy.

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    • Covenant would win. Superior technology and numbers.

      They wouldn't even have to invade, just glass Vekta and Helghan from orbit.

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    • Yeah, KZ doesn't have very much in the way of naval power and once the navy's gone with the covenant, you're done for.

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    • Unless the Helghasts and Vektans have better combat-oriented space-faring starships made for interstellar battles across space.

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    • True, but unless they can find something that can defend against plasma weapons it won't really work. Even in the Halo series the humans needed one of those super MAC cannons to destroy the covenant ships, and the missiles the Helghast use just won't cut it.

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    • I know that the Covenant would still win easily, but first, didn't Stahls' energy shield technically absorb indefinite amounts of damage at the expense of being relatively easy to fly under?

      Also, any clue how much a petrusite blast would effect a Covenant shield? And I'm not being a smartass, it's a legitimate question.

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    • Not sure wat dat do to a Covenant shield, since the Covenant have more advance shit and the timeline in Halo is like 200 or 300 years beyond KZ.

      I hope KZ's timeline get's close to Halo's then I love to see if the Higs could handle the Covenant. I'll beg for a cross over then.

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    • I'm not really sure. This is one of those things where you can't truly measure it until the developers of both series create something where they fight each other like Halo vs Star Wars or something.

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    • MS owns Halo and Sony owns KZ so I know a cross over will never come to this world.

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    • JimboBumbag wrote:
      I'm not really sure. This is one of those things where you can't truly measure it until the developers of both series create something where they fight each other like Halo vs Star Wars or something.

      Star Wars would win without question.

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    • True, same with this cross-over battle, covenant would certainly win here, with all the different aliens and stuff. And as for a cross-over, we can make Stewie Griffin's device for entering alternate universes and get there through that.

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    • Halo X Killzone....

      Wait a crossover between Halo and Killzone!

      UNSC vs. Vektans and Covenant vs. Helghasts!...

      Now I'm at a loss for words about this "ideal" crossover.

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    • LordAskelon wrote:
      JimboBumbag wrote:
      I'm not really sure. This is one of those things where you can't truly measure it until the developers of both series create something where they fight each other like Halo vs Star Wars or something.
      Star Wars would win without question.

      Even Halo X Star Wars (or Killzone X Star Wars)... Let the imaginations fly up high like crazy.

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    • Covenant would win.

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    • Cov would win, but they can't wipe the helghast, and the helghast are born from engineers and mechanics. covs are idiot slaves of long gone forerunners. helghast would reverse engineer their shit soon enough and a "stahl" liek figure would immerge 

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    • Numberspokevp wrote:
      Cov would win, but they can't wipe the helghast, and the helghast are born from engineers and mechanics. covs are idiot slaves of long gone forerunners. helghast would reverse engineer their shit soon enough and a "stahl" liek figure would immerge 

      The Covenant would just glass Helghan.

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    • Yeah, honestly, I think there's a fairly obvious answer to this one and it's that, to defeat the covenant, the only way to win is to have a very badass space fleet, or get very lucky like they did in Halo. The Helghast may be great on ground, but they'll get glassed. Also the covenant existed way longer than the Helghast had so they got an unfair advantage anyway.

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    • I would love the helghast to win. but the covenant have numbers tech and many more planets. helghan is all the helghast have. but there probably would be remnants after the war.

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    • War is unpredictable

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    • 50.39.215.122 wrote:
      War is unpredictable

      Except when say, three people make the exact same mistake over a course of years.

      • Cough, Carolus Rex, Napoleon, Hitler, Cough*
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    • Unless the Helghast are capable of hijacking and stealing Covenant warships and using them against the Covenant Empire itself.

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    • True, when it comes to the covenant, there always that small chance they're going to get defeated by a race without as much technology because of their lack of innovative capabilities and reverse-engineering, which is similar what happened with Halo and the Spartans. It could happen, though they'd either need to be really lucky, or have the time to plan out something crazy like that. It took the UNSC 25 years or so, not sure if the Helghast would have nearly as much time in that kind of scenario.

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    • Col Radec wrote:
      Gameplay it depends on the game, like in the Helghast in Killzone 2 still win in every comparison because they were still sympathetic and cool, but they were also really intelligent and planned ahead on higher difficulties. But I like the Covenant more than the Higs in 3 or SF

      The Covenant also planned ahead... infact better than the higs... sometimes they will get on certain vehicles and may steal yours. But Halo 4 for reason dum down the AI. Halo 4's AI sometimes doesnt hunt u down and they don't shoot u from far away for some odd reason.

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    • Resistance 3's AI will slice ur throat and cutt ur phoneline preventing u to call the ambulance. Cant beat em.

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    • THe covenant are on the brink of exticion and the helghast have are cannons so they can shoot down covenant ships.

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    • 71.187.193.225 wrote:
      THe covenant are on the brink of exticion and the helghast have are cannons so they can shoot down covenant ships.

      That's the Covenant Remnant which is basically a large terrorist group. Which we don't know much about yet, perhaps until Halo 5.

      We're talking about the once great Covenant Empire before they lost the war with the humans. And I'm pretty sure the Covenant ships can handle hig connons since the Halo Universe is further in the future.

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    • I think you are wrong because in KZ2 they say that the energy that is used to power the arc cannons is the strongest in the universe also our heavys and machine guns will now you down.

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    • Im sure the 2500s ships (The time Halo takes place) can handle any 2300s cannon fire (Where KZ takes place).

      I put my money on the more 200 years advance tech. May do a little damage but not much.

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    • The helghast have ships also with shields your ships don't have shields so you will have to go inside our ship and you will die we need to blow up your ships from the out side our makers will shoot you down atacs will kill air and ground shock troopers will electricfry your troops into a grilled grunts and elites but now let's talk about ground troops and tanks.

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    • If we are talking before the war covys and human war the unsc will back us up or the isa on helghan who don't want to die.

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    • Even before the war started hits and covy war the flood will come in the middle of the war to get stronger

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    • The covenant are limited in the kz games hits are not they would keep coming and coming.

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    • In halo wars it took the unsc took harvest five years five brutal years.

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    • Its going to take the covys a long time maybe they won't take helghan because if you played kz2 and 3 they put up such a fight I died in story 50 times.

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    • But they'll just glass Helghan. A ground war is practically out of the question. I know there aren't a ton of ways we could show how powerful an arc cannon is to a covenant ship and so on, but this is about the Killzone Universe vs. the Halo Universe. You take all each universe has and pit them against each other, the Halo Universe will win.

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    • Killzone Universe isn't advance enough yet to compete with the Halo Universe. StarCraft and Halo would be a more interesting one.

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    • Actually yeah, that would make for a hell of a battle. Plus they both have the 3 factions to balance it out.

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    • Helghast are no match for the covenant, I'm a KZ fan but not a fanboy.

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    • Ya but the covenant would bring the flood into this.

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    • Might I add that if the covenant did bring the flood into this, both sides would be utterly destroyed (if the flood are at full strength). There really isn't much question as to who would win here, as Fortu said, I figure we need a better match-up. Thinking about it, it's hard to pit any other sci-fi group against killzone because they're all so much more advanced.

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    • Mass effect?

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    • Mass Effect has too many races and the citadel races are WAY too advance for KZ.

      KZ fatctions are not really op so it's hard to do a cross over.

      I want a balance cross over.

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    • Resistance?

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    • OR Gears of War?

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    • Gears of War does not have interplanetary flight. KZ would own em.

      In Resistance, we dont know much about the Chimera. But they were beaten by the 50s human tech sooooooo. lol

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    • Well they successfully took over the world and only lost after we reverse engineered their tech so that's worth considering

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    • They still got beaten by early to mid 20th century human tech. Which is pathetic lol.

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    • Which faction you prefer? I like the covenant more cause their more unique to me along with their history. The Helghast are awesome but Ive seen a few simalar concepts with them, while with the covenant, the only thing I can compare them with is the Protoss from StarCraft but even then their still different. I still love the Helghast though but covenant a little bit more.

      As for gameplay, covenant, more enemy types when most of the higs are just soldlers with guns. Also in KZ2 and M they seem to love cover a bit too much, even when I go around them they still in the same position for a while. lol. In KZ3 thankfuly they move around the levels more. In SF their accuracy is WAY too good but the movements are pretty dumb. Some shield guys just show me their back and others try to take the cover behind me.

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    • Yeah I like the Covenant a little more. Since I learned that the Hig's looks are based on a manga I lost alot of love fer em. And I have seen simalar themes with the Higs, BUT the Higs are the best to have that theme imo.

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    • I love higs but if we have the reapers from mass effect everyone is dead.

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    • After learning about the reapers motivations, they seem to have a big ego when you think about it.

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    • But if the flood took over the reapers and with gravemind I feel like everyone will fight the flood

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    • Would the flood get indoctirnated if they get close to the Reapers?

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    • 71.88.149.148 wrote:
      Which faction you prefer? I like the covenant more cause their more unique to me along with their history. The Helghast are awesome but Ive seen a few simalar concepts with them, while with the covenant, the only thing I can compare them with is the Protoss from StarCraft but even then their still different. I still love the Helghast though but covenant a little bit more.

      As for gameplay, covenant, more enemy types when most of the higs are just soldlers with guns. Also in KZ2 and M they seem to love cover a bit too much, even when I go around them they still in the same position for a while. lol. In KZ3 thankfuly they move around the levels more. In SF their accuracy is WAY too good but the movements are pretty dumb. Some shield guys just show me their back and others try to take the cover behind me.

      I would say that the Helghast and Covenant would have a powerful fighting stance going on. Just until something unfamiliar happens (i.e. The Flood and Termites!)

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    • Helghast Forever wrote:
      But if the flood took over the reapers and with gravemind I feel like everyone will fight the flood

      If its possible that some of the Reapers would rebel against the Gravemind and destroy their infected kin without mercy?

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    • Fortu wrote:
      Gears of War does not have interplanetary flight. KZ would own em.

      In Resistance, we dont know much about the Chimera. But they were beaten by the 50s human tech sooooooo. lol

      I just had a crazy ideal fiction involving Cogs, Indies, and Locusts of Sera battling the invading Chimera, Ceph, Helghasts, and Gen. Serrano's Heavy Echo troops.

      It's an all-out chaotic war on Planet Sera because they all crave for Imulsion as a power source.

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    • Well heat about the remaining flood they will be in Sera and will infect the planet

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    • How well of a fight u think the Higs would do agaisnt the Covies? Would the higs get easily wiped out? Ges u could just send a bunch of Lekgolo to kill em.

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    • Actually think about it we got Mass effect reapers vs flood then we got covys vs higs then we got locust vs chimera so wouldnt Sera be you know be divided and besides the higs would toxicate the planet.

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    • well thats if the reapers dont get invloved

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    • And also the hig would win if the covys send scarbs we send mawlrs that are 5x bigger and then ue nukes on them

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    • Fortu wrote: How well of a fight u think the Higs would do agaisnt the Covies? Would the higs get easily wiped out? Ges u could just send a bunch of Lekgolo to kill em.

      well the higs are more trained and seem to ambush every and also destroyed the ISA fleet that was stonger agasint arc cannons bu still blew up and they never miss s it bascaly impossible and besides they are in 2 diffret galaxys the covys would be losing by then thanks to master chief

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    • Covenant: Larger numbers, not as well trained (almost no training), more advanced weaponry

      Helghast: Smaller numbers (but still almost a planet worth's big pre-KZSF), extremely well trained compared to Covenant, less advanced weaponry unless you count the petrusite weaponry capable of destroying a planet and snow missiles capable of taking out an entire fleet in a few.

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    • The Elites are well trained from what I saw in Halo Legends. Elites have a somewhat Japanese mix Spartan culture so yeah, their training are good. Grunts are just slaves, jackels are mercs, and the Brutes are a tribe-like race so the Brutes probably train pretty good as well.

      Those petrusite Missile and maybe arc cannons are the only things I can see in the KZ universe that might do some something to the covies. And who's to say the covies won't use the most advance hig weapons for themselves? Glassing and petrusite? Damn... Higs won't stand a chance... Higs better destroy their petrusite weapons before the Covies take em.

      As for the MAWLR, send Lekgolo to it, those worms would climb inside and kill everyone on board or simply glass it.

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    • Fortu wrote:
      The Elites are well trained from what I saw in Halo Legends. Elites have a somewhat Japanese mix Spartan culture so yeah, their training are good. Grunts are just slaves, jackels are mercs, and the Brutes are a tribe-like race so the Brutes probably train pretty good as well.

      Those petrusite Missile and maybe arc cannons are the only things I can see in the KZ universe that might do some something to the covies. And who's to say the covies won't use the most advance hig weapons for themselves? Glassing and petrusite? Damn... Higs won't stand a chance... Higs better destroy their petrusite weapons before the Covies take em.

      As for the MAWLR, send Lekgolo to it, those worms would climb inside and kill everyone on board or simply glass it.

      Guess you have a point. But then again the Helghast could also capture some of the Covies' ships, plus simply killing a Grunt would grant them access to a laser gun. Imagine Helghasts with laser guns? Imagine Radec with an energy sword to replace his knife, pistol replaced with that purple laser gun the Grunts have and that super powerful laser gun as his main weapon? The Helghast's smarts and planet-destroying tech like the Petrusite could probably win them the war.

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    • Both the Covenant and the Helghast have an established militarized empires, and both factions are ruled by those of great power and motivational speech patterns for morale purposes.

      Both empires have possessions of great weapons at their disposal such as Forerunner technology and Petrusite weaponry.

      But there is sad flaws in those aspects due to the fact that, for the Covenant, despite the monastic leadership of the Hierarchs, in truth they're backstabbing master planners who would use and sacrifice anyone or anything to achieve their goals of complete success. Even if it meant the destruction of all lifeforms across the galaxy.

      Heck, the Covenant haven't fully reverse-engineered nor fully adapted Forerunner technology at their disposal, which would made the Covenant more a dangerous force towards the human race.

      For the Helghast, they have possess powerful leadership amongst the faction, despite the Helghan Empire's own usupers, their foes the ISA of Vekta are reckless and careless, and it almost becomes a shock that they've won the war by nuking Helghan (the homeworld of the Helghasts), rather than ruin the Helghast's unbeatable morale by capturing their leaders and forcing them to surrender into peaceful negotiations (if it worked or not).

      Both Covies and Helghasts are reduced to minimum forces that are outright trying to restart their wars out of pure hatred, even though some members of their own races outright want to survive, repopulate, and not want to go extinct.

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    • now that we got so far in this the covenant would be falling apart

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    • Ok both sides see they are evenly matched why don't they just Ally with eachother it would make them stranger than 2 master chiefs combined as one.

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    • The Higs and Covies will not get along because the Higs are really just mutated humans. The Covie leaders later found out that Humans had a connection to the Forerunners and that would have been a threat to their religion and since their whole empire centers all around religion, Covies would fall apart from civil war, bigger than when the prophets betrayed the Elites.


      And no their not evenly matched... the Covies has over 5 races and has alot more solar systems in their control... The UNSC is stronger than the higs and the Covies almost beated em. I don't care how strong the hig leadership is, the Halo universe is simply much more advance in tech than KZ.

      I may sound biased since now I prefer Halo lore than KZ but I'm just going by timelines, strength and tech.

      If the ISA, UCN and the Higs teamed up they may have a glimmer of hope.

      I respect ur thoughts and this was an interesting fanon debate.

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    • UCN are supposed to be stupidly overpowered, in addition to that the ISA is completely loyal to Earth so that means they'd have tech and numbers, so they could probably hold a fight against the covenant since they are most likely as or -MAYBE- a little more powerful than the UNSC (Earth in KZ has over 500 well established colonies under the ISA banner, who are still their puppet vs the UNSC who have around 800 but only 200 are actually populated in addition to multiple rebelling worlds at any one time) and the UCN navy is predominantly just assloads of dreadnoughts while the ISA musters the smaller vessels like cruisers and such. Going off what the universe states, the HUMAN forces in Killzone would probably fare a little better than UNSC in space against the covenant, BUT most likely they'd be slaughtered on the ground due to the lack of Spartans.

      So, and this is coming from someone who is significantly more pro-helghast than ISA/UCN, going off what the universe states the Helghast would likely put up a single, extremely bloody fight for Helghan against the covenant, but they'd undoubtedly lose eventually due to only having a single world and only a population of around 3 billion pre-terracide vs the essentially endless numbers the aliens would have, but the human civilization, which is much larger in territory and numbers, and technology thanks to the UCN, could at the very least fight a long, protracted war against the covenant. Depends almost entirely on how effective the UCN dreadnoughts would fare against the aliens navy, because the lack of Spartans almost guarantees losing most if not all ground battles.

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    • Rico would save everyone from the Covies... Rico is love... Rico is life...

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    • Honestly, with respect, I'm not sure why this is so debatable though. The covenant would obviously win. They own more planets, they have more alien manpower than the amount of man power the Helghast could gather. They are also hundreds of years ahead in technology. The only hope the Helghast have are Arc cannons, but even if those take out a lot of ships, the covenant will inevitably outnumber them and blast the planet from orbit. The UNSC had trouble holding them off and they are literally 500 times bigger than the Helghast. The Helghast are powerful, but the Covenant have been around for thousands of years. The covenant would win over the Helghast either way.

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    • No... Rico is older... he created the Universe... JOIN RICOLISM!!!!!!!! SPREAD THE WORD OF RICO!!!!!

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    • XD Ricolism

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    • well the elites like the arbiter would just figure it out sooner or later

      and besides the helghast are not just on helghan

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    • Wait arent the 2 factions in diffrent galaxys

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    • because helghast are in alpha centaury

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    • No, Alpha Centauri is a solar system within the milky way galaxy.

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    • Alpha Centauri is the closest other star system to us.

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    • and besides the helghast are not just on helghan

      The covies have many star systems. The higs had to share one with the ISA.

      I wish we could compare the covies to the UCN, but the KZ universe hardly ever mentions them. Goddamn it GG use the freaking LORE!!!!!!

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    • we havent even been only talking about the covies and helghast so should this be like a competion see hos the strongest lets each get 3 factions and tell them to eachother tomorrow the fction with the most people wins the faction with the second less people is second than 3rd you already know

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    • HERETIC HERETIC HERETIC

      ARBITER WILL MAKE US ALLIES RICOLISM CANT BEAT ARBITERISM

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